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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:21 pm   Reply with quoteBack to top

What year did carvin put the graphite rods in the necks and did they do anyrhing like that before the graphite?
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They stopped relatively recently. In the past few years, when they improved drying techniques that made the graphite rods redundant. Prior to graphite, they had used steel rods, which my 1995 DC135T had.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:39 pm   Reply with quoteBack to top

tbonesullivan wrote:
...In the past few years, when they improved drying techniques that made the graphite rods redundant.


Improved drying techniques Eh? NO such animal, it's all been done before by someone.

Graphite rods are not a redundancy - they're on basses and guitars to 'help' rid necks of dead spots. They're not, as commonly thought, for strength and a more true neck. Their ommission is a cost cutting move (like others) that may grow to haunt them. I trust the error of thought will be reconsidered for the benefit of present and future customers Angel

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:41 pm   Reply with quoteBack to top

Follow up question here. What does Carvin use for truss rods now?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:28 am   Reply with quoteBack to top

From the GM of Roscoe Guitars when queried:

"The rods are in our necks (can't and won't comment for anyone else) to create OVERALL stability, and they DO. We have built necks without the rods, they flat flex more under tension.

Are they NECESSARY?

No, they are not. Millions of bass/guitar necks have been built without graphite reinforcement rods, and a significant portion of those have been just fine. They will need to be adjusted far more often, and they will not have the same (in my OPINION: better) tone, but they work just fine.

There are many facets of what makes a neck stable/stiff and sound good, graphite rods are just one, other factors are (as mentioned above) curing, and grain orientation (quartersawn versus slab or flat sawn for example). But, to discount the ability of graphite rods on adding stability to a neck is just incorrect - it definitely and demonstrably adds to the stability. It may not be what you are looking for tonally, or you may wish to avoid doing it for other reasons (financial, philosophical), but doing so will ensure that all other things being equal, one of the necks will move more than the other."

As far as the exact date Carvin made this change across the board......*I* would also be curious to know Neutral

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:26 pm   Reply with quoteBack to top

To answer the op, the first mention of "graphite reinforced neck" in a catalog is 1998. Before that year only the nut is listed as graphite.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:30 pm   Reply with quoteBack to top

AND......what was the date they discontinued graphite rods in their guitars & basses Eh?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:33 pm   Reply with quoteBack to top

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4mm hex wrench for adjusting neck truss rods. This truss rod wrench will work on late 2006 and later Carvin guitars and basses. Get the TR1 for guitars and basses prior to late 2006.


The announcement at the time was that they switched to a new drying technique and started using a bigger truss rod instead of the smaller rod plus graphite rods.

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AND......what was the date they discontinued truss rods on their guitars & basses Eh?


They haven't discontinued truss rods.

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SlingBass wrote:
tbonesullivan wrote:
...In the past few years, when they improved drying techniques that made the graphite rods redundant.


Improved drying techniques Eh? NO such animal, it's all been done before by someone.

Graphite rods are not a redundancy - they're on basses and guitars to 'help' rid necks of dead spots. They're not, as commonly thought, for strength and a more true neck. Their ommission is a cost cutting move (like others) that may grow to haunt them. I trust the error of thought will be reconsidered for the benefit of present and future customers Angel


You splitting hairs. It was obviously meant that carvin improved upon how THEY were doing things in the past. Not an improvement overall in the industry. Your theories on the importance of graphite rods in the neck is simply a matter of opinion. Many luthiers and companies feel graphite rods actually hurt the tone of a guitar. And no one every said strength or true for the reason the graphite rods were used. They did improve the rigidity of a neck. As in its ability to flex. And unless you worked for carvin and implemented their use or have direct correspondence with carvin who are you to say what their intentions were with the implementation and subsequent discontinuation of the graphite rods?
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SlingBass wrote:
AND......what was the date they discontinued graphite rods in their guitars & basses Eh?


They haven't discontinued truss rods.


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purpledc wrote:
SlingBass wrote:
tbonesullivan wrote:
...In the past few years, when they improved drying techniques that made the graphite rods redundant.


Improved drying techniques Eh? NO such animal, it's all been done before by someone.

Graphite rods are not a redundancy - they're on basses and guitars to 'help' rid necks of dead spots. They're not, as commonly thought, for strength and a more true neck. Their ommission is a cost cutting move (like others) that may grow to haunt them. I trust the error of thought will be reconsidered for the benefit of present and future customers Angel


You splitting hairs. It was obviously meant that carvin improved upon how THEY were doing things in the past. Not an improvement overall in the industry. Your theories on the importance of graphite rods in the neck is simply a matter of opinion. Many luthiers and companies feel graphite rods actually hurt the tone of a guitar. And no one every said strength or true for the reason the graphite rods were used. They did improve the rigidity of a neck. As in its ability to flex. And unless you worked for carvin and implemented their use or have direct correspondence with carvin who are you to say what their intentions were with the implementation and subsequent discontinuation of the graphite rods?


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SlingBass wrote:
purpledc wrote:
SlingBass wrote:
tbonesullivan wrote:
...In the past few years, when they improved drying techniques that made the graphite rods redundant.


Improved drying techniques Eh? NO such animal, it's all been done before by someone.

Graphite rods are not a redundancy - they're on basses and guitars to 'help' rid necks of dead spots. They're not, as commonly thought, for strength and a more true neck. Their ommission is a cost cutting move (like others) that may grow to haunt them. I trust the error of thought will be reconsidered for the benefit of present and future customers Angel


You splitting hairs. It was obviously meant that carvin improved upon how THEY were doing things in the past. Not an improvement overall in the industry. Your theories on the importance of graphite rods in the neck is simply a matter of opinion. Many luthiers and companies feel graphite rods actually hurt the tone of a guitar. And no one every said strength or true for the reason the graphite rods were used. They did improve the rigidity of a neck. As in its ability to flex. And unless you worked for carvin and implemented their use or have direct correspondence with carvin who are you to say what their intentions were with the implementation and subsequent discontinuation of the graphite rods?


Sheeple Rolling Eyes Here's a quarter...buy a clue Soundchick



My what an intelligent and well thought out response. Are you above defending your claims or do you lack the insight to do so? Either way, keep your quarter, given your lack of intelligent response your obviously in need of that clue more than I.
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purpledc wrote:
SlingBass wrote:
purpledc wrote:
SlingBass wrote:
tbonesullivan wrote:
...In the past few years, when they improved drying techniques that made the graphite rods redundant.


Improved drying techniques Eh? NO such animal, it's all been done before by someone.

Graphite rods are not a redundancy - they're on basses and guitars to 'help' rid necks of dead spots. They're not, as commonly thought, for strength and a more true neck. Their ommission is a cost cutting move (like others) that may grow to haunt them. I trust the error of thought will be reconsidered for the benefit of present and future customers Angel


You splitting hairs. It was obviously meant that carvin improved upon how THEY were doing things in the past. Not an improvement overall in the industry. Your theories on the importance of graphite rods in the neck is simply a matter of opinion. Many luthiers and companies feel graphite rods actually hurt the tone of a guitar. And no one every said strength or true for the reason the graphite rods were used. They did improve the rigidity of a neck. As in its ability to flex. And unless you worked for carvin and implemented their use or have direct correspondence with carvin who are you to say what their intentions were with the implementation and subsequent discontinuation of the graphite rods?


Sheeple Rolling Eyes Here's a quarter...buy a clue Soundchick



My what an intelligent and well thought out response. Are you above defending your claims or do you lack the insight to do so? Either way, keep your quarter, given your lack of intelligent response your obviously in need of that clue more than I.


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LOL @ Elfdude! I was just posting "don't make Mama have to come in here now". You beat me to it.

Come on, ya'll. Shame on you

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LOL @ Elfdude! I was just posting "don't make Mama have to come in here now". You beat me to it.

Come on, ya'll. Shame on you


Sorry SC & Elfdude (others as well) - it was not my intent to be totally disruptive. I wasn't going to to be drawn into a lengthy personal exchange on a public forum (equivalent to me shooting an unarmed man). I already knew the answers to my timeline questions. I was interested in who did not. My concerns and issues were/are still valid. I consider at this time, however, the matter pointless to pursue. So move along folks, move along...nothing to see here, nothing at all Laugh Hard

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