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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:32 pm   Reply with quoteBack to top

I got my DC 125 with added neck PU in March 1986. I have always thought it came with the M22N added. Now while going through my old catalogs I see that the M22N was not listed until 1988. Prior to that there was only the M22, M22SD and M22 for bass.

I replaced the neck PU in 1991 with an M22V. The original added neck PU has a sticker on the back with 'T" on it. My original invoice is no help because it says "additional pick-up M22SD @ bridge" which is of course the PU coming standard on the DC-125 at that time, not my request for an added neck PU.

Does anyone know about the sticker with "T" on it. Does this signify the stock M22 in 1986?

Note: if the "T" means M22T then they installed a bridge PU in the neck position. However I don't think Carvin had yet offered differently wound PUs for neck and bridge. What I can say is that the mystery PU has a ton more bass than the M22V that replace it.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:13 am   Reply with quoteBack to top

I've been curious as to the "rest of the story" (as Paul Harvey used to say) about this too.

My mid-80s SH225 an has M22 pickup at the neck which also has a TON of bass.

The cool part about that neck pickup is that out of all the neck humbuckers I've ever heard, it's the least wimpy-sounding when split. In fact, when split, it sounds a lot like an AP11 (which I love). So I can either have this deep deep jazz sound or it can sound a lot like the AP11 in my Bolt! Fantastic!

But yeah, I'd like to hear the official history of the M22 pickup too.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:45 pm   Reply with quoteBack to top

I guess the logical explanation is the neck PU originally in my DC is the stock M22 of the day, which was used at both the neck and bridge.

I never tried splitting it. The M22V is in to stay however.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:22 pm   Reply with quoteBack to top

Bought my DC100 in late 1986, it was one of the last (if not the last) one made...

As I recall, the same M22 pu's were placed in the bridge and neck position. I had my bridge "upgraded" to a M22SD for $10

I vaguely remember the suffix letters "b" and "n" after the pickup choices on the order form... thus indicating the location of that pickup.

Like M22SD -(B) and M22 -(N)

You might be remembering the "N" from the order form...

as for the "T" on the sticker.... it could just be a production marker at the factory... perhaps "T" means it was "tested" or maybe a code for the worker who did the windings, or which line it was produced on, etc.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:07 pm   Reply with quoteBack to top

I checked my 1985 catalog and I did not remember correctly. It states that when ordering the M22 PU one should state whether it goes in the bridge or neck position as they are wound differently.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 8:51 am   Reply with quoteBack to top

Interesting! Exclamation

I just love the sound of my neck pickup.. it sounds rich and very jazzy.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:42 pm   Reply with quoteBack to top

I believe in the early 80s Carvin used the same M 22 for both bridge and neck. My 81 DC 120 12 string and my 82 SH 225 came with identical M22s in both positions. This has never been a problem of any sort.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:42 pm   Reply with quoteBack to top

I believe in the early 80s Carvin used the same M 22 for both bridge and neck. My 81 DC 120 12 string and my 82 SH 225 came with identical M22s in both positions. This has never been a problem of any sort.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:34 pm   Reply with quoteBack to top

Don't know if you're still following this thread but my 83 DC200 pickups had the following labels handwritten on the back, M22N on the neck and M22T on the bridge.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 12:29 pm   Reply with quoteBack to top

Thanks dach. This PU stuff is a nest of worms!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:48 pm   Reply with quoteBack to top

I do not know if this applies to Carvin pickups, bot for some of the other major brands the "T" designation is for tremolo. A Floyd, for example, has a slightly wider string spacing and the "T" pickups have pole positions that accommodate for that.

http://www.seymourduncan.com/blog/the-tone-garage/string-spacing-explained-humbuckers-vs-trembuckers


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:04 am   Reply with quoteBack to top

Tripoutski wrote:
I do not know if this applies to Carvin pickups, bot for some of the other major brands the "T" designation is for tremolo. A Floyd, for example, has a slightly wider string spacing and the "T" pickups have pole positions that accommodate for that.

http://www.seymourduncan.com/blog/the-tone-garage/string-spacing-explained-humbuckers-vs-trembuckers


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Yeah, Duncans have Trembuckers like that.
In the case of the M22 its different. Its T and N for Treble and Neck (as far as I know). Why not "B" for Bass??? I think because there was a "B" designation for use on Bass guitars.
Plus with the 22 poles (11 per coil), no need to have (non-)F-space varieties.
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